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this is need to know real talk about the\h
reality of unidentified aerial phenomenon\h\h

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from Australia Ross coltart\h
from the U.S Bryce zabel

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well I guess we're going to be talking about\h
anniversaries today I mean it's been around\h\h

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a month since October 31st report on UAP was\h
supposed to come out and we're still waiting\h\h

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but more than that it's been almost five years\h
since that classic New York Times reporting\h\h

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sort of ushered in a new age of UAP I mean happy\h
anniversary Ross nice to have it it's one hell of\h\h

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an anniversary Bryce frankly I don't know what to\h
say I am being besieged with people demanding to\h\h

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know what I know about why there's been this\h
delay in the Congress and my best spin on it\h\h

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mate is that frankly the office that's supposedly\h
meant to be doing this report is so chronically\h\h

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under-resourced understaffed under focused on by\h
the Pentagon that it hasn't been able to get the\h\h

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report completed on time people are telling me\h
there will eventually be a report but they're\h\h

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saying don't get too worked up about it this\h
isn't unusual in the in the Washington DC scheme\h\h

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of events but but frankly I'll be honest with you\h
mate it it doesn't send a very good message what\h\h

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it indicates to me at all I I got to tell you\h
I'm not happy I'm I'm not willing to cut that\h\h

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slack I mean if you recall there was supposed to\h
be and we'll be talking about this more later but\h\h

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there was a report that was due on June 25th\h
2021 and it came out on June 25th 2021. this\h\h

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one I was saying well if it comes out on October\h
31st that'll be you know eight days before the\h\h

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election I thought it would be even a part of\h
the election instead it's just gone away and\h\h

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there's no accountability I I mean people aren't\h
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about this thing and that I think is a little\h
strange uh to have something this important and\h\h

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not have any follow-up I mean I I think about okay\h
there's uh Senators that have been involved uh\h\h

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Rubio and gillibrand for example why aren't they\h
saying anything why haven't they called the news\h\h

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conference that's what worries me about because\h
at the moment when I'm talking to people I know my\h\h

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friend Leslie Keynes talking to people there are\h
people all over America who are debating whether\h\h

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or not they should come forward as whistleblowers\h
to talk about what they know and what they want to\h\h

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hear most of all is a statement of political will\h
from the from the Congress they know that there is\h\h

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legislation in place the gillibrand amendment\h
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authorization act last year and they know that\h
there are more Provisions hopefully coming from\h\h

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the house later this year hopefully when the\h
ndaa and the intelligence authorization acts\h\h

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are passed by both houses of Congress but what\h
they're looking for most of all is a statement of\h\h

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clear intent from the people who have championed\h
this so publicly and mate it ain't happening we're\h\h

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not I mean the thing I find most conspicuous is\h
that despite the fact that a report is late by 1\h\h

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to the Congress there's not been a peep from any\h
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of any of the congressional committees it's like\h
nobody gives a hoot or they they do give a hoot\h\h

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and because of that they're not talking I don't\h
know it just is irritating because what we are\h\h

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asking for is pretty simple okay a report is out\h
due out on October 31st it doesn't show up so you\h\h

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ought to be able to get a straight answer and\h
if the straight answer was something as simple\h\h

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as yeah we we were under resourced we're working\h
on it now we expect to have it out on you know\h\h

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December 15th instead that would at least be an\h
answer it would have some something behind it we\h\h

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don't get that and it's the same issue I got to\h
tell you that bothers me over and over about the\h\h

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whole UAP UFO issue which is I'm not necessarily\h
expecting the government or anyone else to say\h\h

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oh by the way here's a briefing here's exactly\h
what's been going on for the last 80 years or\h\h

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so but I wouldn't mind if the people in the know\h
could simply put out a declarative statement that\h\h

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says yeah these things aren't ours we're not\h
alone that would be just a great start so the\h\h

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whole issue of UFO UAP disclosure or investigation\h
or whatever we want to call it has been plagued\h\h

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by this sense that if we don't talk about it if we\h
just ignore it then it'll go away but I think what\h\h

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you and I have been doing for 25 podcasts now by\h
the way happy anniversary for our 25th podcast too\h\h

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um what we've been doing is saying you know if\h
you're not going to talk about it we're going\h\h

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to talk about it so I guess we have to talk\h
about it we have to explain what's going on\h\h

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and also the only thing that has appeared in\h
mainstream media and it's coming up for an\h\h

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anniversary on that story now is Julian Barnes\h
apologia for the Pentagon where he wrote In The\h\h

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New York Times how many military UFO reports\h
are just foreign spying or Airborne trash and\h\h

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that was the story that I think set the scene for\h
the growing despondency that we're seeing at the\h\h

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moment where people are questioning whether\h
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by the Pentagon I mean it was a shameful story\h
it was just a complete joke a classic piece of\h\h

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um quiet little briefing in a quiet room to a\h
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thing and and peddle out the usual lines there\h
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which really put them on the spot basically\h
American officials supposedly familiar with the\h\h

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findings of the Pentagon and intelligence agencies\h
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stated don't you worry your tiny little heads you\h
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Pentagon we're going to tell you how most of this\h
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or surveillance operations by other countries\h
don't you worry yourself all's fine and I guess\h\h

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what that story did was set the scene for the\h
impression that what we're seeing is a pushback a\h\h

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hose done and I am being impressed upon privately\h
by people who are passionately committed to The\h\h

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Whistleblower disclosures before Congress I'm\h
being told I'm too negative and that what we're\h\h

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seeing uh happening is not a reflection of what's\h
actually happening that behind the scenes there\h\h

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are already people giving evidence to Congress but\h
the big question in my mind is Congress might get\h\h

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to hear about it some of the provisions in the\h
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chairperson of the various committees to be\h
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know about it that's the big question I'm sorry\h
I am not appeased I'm just not um because the\h\h

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the things that you're telling me that people are\h
willing to speak to you about behind the scenes\h\h

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I'm experiencing the same thing myself I'm saying\h
these are not huge Revelations it ought not to\h\h

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be a problem to say uh we're having uh behind the\h
scenes we're having closed-door meetings on it and\h\h

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we're we're talking to whistleblowers okay well\h
okay that's not briefing you on the the actual\h\h

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content it's just acknowledging where we stand\h
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cannot tell us where we stand in the process I am\h
not amused now you were talking about how people\h\h

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have talked to you I'm going to read something\h
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things okay I'm not going to tell you who it is\h
because they've asked me not to but I hear from\h\h

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that person the process is on track and moving\h
ahead smartly so that's basically what you're\h\h

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saying we're being reassured you know don't\h
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again you know I'm not amused the person then said\h
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Collective conscious can process and internalize\h
emerging facts and data well that that probably is\h\h

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is true I'd have to probably explain that but they\h
say the great majority seem to love the UAP issue\h\h

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as a theoretical proposition and flocked alien\h
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the reality of another complex and potentially\h
destabilizing existential issue and on and on\h\h

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they're saying that's the the reason it's just\h
too big an issue well for crying out loud Ross\h\h

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it's been too big an issue since at least 1947. at\h
some point we have to say I've run out of patience\h\h

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and and again I don't want to be look I you know\h
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shut me up from you know being a activist fire\h
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for anybody to say things they're not supposed to\h
say that would violate National Security but I am\h\h

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actively campaigning that at least let's have we\h
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process and if this pushback means we're trying to\h
put it back in the Box all I can tell you is from\h\h

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my perspective it won't wash not only will you\h
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call this the I'm as mad as hell and I'm not\h
gonna take this anymore episode what do you reckon\h\h

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I like it you know I'd be happy to throw my window\h
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yards for my next neighbor so I don't even think\h
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hell but we're not mad as hell about everything\h
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pursuing needs to be one that is transparent and\h
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media to start covering this like a real national\h
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is something that has not happened yet and uh\h
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in the last five years that's one of the stories\h
behind it well as you know Bryce I I've given\h\h

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up having any faith in the mainstream media's\h
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and I I've basically decided that the only reason\h
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we're filling a gap I mean I know it sounds\h
pompous and self-important but we really are\h\h

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we're filling a gap in what should be objective\h
analytical coverage of the news of uaps this is\h\h

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potentially the biggest story ever frankly that's\h
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could usefully do today uh seeing it's the\h
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moment the October 20 sorry December 2017 um uh\h
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was essentially admitted that the Pentagon had\h
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take stock maybe it's time for us to take stock\h
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five years because I think it's very easy for\h
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fact that the pentagon's perhaps not responding\h
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it's obliged to provide to Congress but really\h
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to be honest started getting very interested in\h
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60 minutes and I saw the New York Times\h
December 2017 story that was a momentous\h\h

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moment for many people including myself all\h
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a moment where I realized that the official\h
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not being given the full story and indeed even\h
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an organization launched called to the Stars\h
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Hal put off X just about every three million\h
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Works Chris melon next defense department and\h
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it was an incredible moment to see those people\h
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discuss something that has been so ridiculed and\h
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well you know Ross all of that is very\h
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December 17th of 2017 when the New York Times\h
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radical thing now I don't know if that's going\h
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assassination or 911 I think uh the the it's\h
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and we all have those memories where we say I\h
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that and that's usually what is a sign that\h
we're dealing with something now Ross I've\h\h

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got an actual story about how I learned about\h
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know how did you first tip to this story when\h
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I I got told about it by people in the U.S who\h
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at this story it's amazing and they were some of\h
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people who who told me privately that I should\h
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it was coming basically uh as soon as I clicked\h
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money the pentagon's mysterious UFO program Leslie\h
Kane Ralph Blumenthal Helene Cooper I knew the\h\h

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world was about to be tipped upside down to see an\h
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the New York Times that the Pentagon had secretly\h
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phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch through a program\h
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orsap a a wsap that was an amazing moment and it\h
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dropped it wasn't a huge storm Story I mean merely\h
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was was the Revelation but there were so many\h
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the the fact that it mentioned Bob Bigelow who'd\h
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60 Minutes in the U.S that he was convinced that\h
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important that it mentioned James lacatsky A dia\h
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about a Dia official who'd gone to the Skinwalker\h
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this by going through Harry Reid Senator Harry\h
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and and significantly I think now in light of what\h
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it also mentioned how Astronaut John Glenn had\h
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should be investigations into uaps particularly\h
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now know five years on that's happening and I\h
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Times story was the beginning of five years of\h
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pay tribute here I I think we should acknowledge\h
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like Chris Mellon Hal put off Louis zondo Eric\h
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been gently pushing and doing a lot more work\h
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get the Congress to be receptive to something that\h
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achieved a lot in five years well I agree and you\h
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so um I was still waiting for Ross to say gee\h
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happened and how you learned about it so I'll just\h
wait oh okay chief Russ why don't you tell me your\h\h

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story about what you learned clearly oh my God\h
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um okay well um I'd love to do that on December\h
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New Orleans I was doing research at the World War\h
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Museum on the topic um and I was doing research\h
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um that I'm still trying to get produced and\h
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all of it but it's a part of it he goes uh yeah\h
front page December 17th New York Times real UFOs\h\h

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Pentagon unit tried to know Ralph Blumenthal wrote\h
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Betty and Barney do you know Ralph he's great\h
just great you should get to know him if you don't\h\h

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love seeing the idea of captured don't know why\h
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if you've got the rights you're very wise there\h
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here of course which of course I knew because I\h
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about he wants to be in a movie that I want to do\h
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December 17 2017. it's uh just wait what's coming\h
man just wait what's coming to this planet boy all\h\h

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right have fun sir talk to you soon and next time\h
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car they made disappear in front of me bye okay\h
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2017 I literally was on vacation in New Orleans\h
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Museum there beautiful and and substantial Museum\h
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a voice message so I played it and uh this\h
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Aykroyd of course the actor who is also well known\h
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uh the Betty and Barney Hill movie that um that\h
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the message he left I'm not going to read all\h
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front page December 17th New York Times real UFOs\h
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it he wrote that great piece in Vanity Fair about\h
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is great you should get to know them if you don't\h
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but this is how he ended he goes but here we are\h
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man just wait what's coming to this planet boy\h
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time we see each other again I'll tell you about\h
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it's about the car that disappeared in front\h
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presume to tell it but uh because it was a\h
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so of course the first thing I did is say\h
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damn Museum I've got to sit down and and read\h
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well we're never going to see the world the same\h
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said though you said that that was almost the\h
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attention to this which led to your fantastic\h
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uh two and a half decades I think at that point\h
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thought that people would sort of start with the\h
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to the place where we were going to be honest\h
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lived through my entire life where you you hoped\h
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so when I read that it was transformative for\h
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and that applies to me and when I read it I\h
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chance that I might see some form of admission\h
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what it did for me is it gave me hope to pursue\h
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we're doing because I thought you know what\h
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and I'm I I believe that is absolutely true so\h
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different reasons and I'm sure uh just like if\h
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people where were you if you were even alive\h
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and I'm sure a lot of the people listening to us\h
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and just as a point of uh uh you know to to lay\h
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press conference you were talking about with\h
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when we I remember seeing that and going well I\h
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to listen to but I thought what's Tom Delong going\h
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to appear with him but hopefully so I had said\h
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that twigged my interest but to be honest with\h
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I'd already been talking to people in Washington\h
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book on uaps UFOs and my interest had been drawn\h
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right through 2015 2016. and then I saw the\h
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and that I thought was an incredibly important\h
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counter-intelligence agents for odni Chris melon\h
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um Jim semivan from the CIA Steve Justice\h
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and the promise of course was intense but I I\h
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following the New York Times story that really\h
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zondo protesting in the New York Times and also\h
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and ridicule and stigma are associated with UFOs\h
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CNN that I think will be regarded in the future as\h
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leans forward to the mic and tells CNN's\h
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compelling evidence that we we may not be alone\h
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boom moment that was when I sort of went holy heck\h
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then I put a bid in from Australia's 60 minutes\h
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and he very kindly agreed to an interview and this\h
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at the time channel channel nines 60 Minutes\h
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with Chris Mellon and I was booked on a flight to\h
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and then all of a sudden my executive producer\h
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ridicule and the stigma associated with UFOs\h
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when you had a front page story in the New York\h
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real they're being investigated by the Pentagon\h
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great frustration for me as a mainstream reporter\h
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at that point that the only way that we can cover\h
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media is hamstrung it's it's so hampered by this\h
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ours matter yeah you know I just want to point\h
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the boom moment uh when Elizondo said we may not\h
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Elizondo say it but he wasn't saying it in that\h
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article was which was the you know sort of the\h
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waking up to it and that leads me to want to just\h
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know we're trying to have our cake and eat it\h
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to have a podcast a weekly briefing if you will\h
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can come in and uh if you already know a lot\h
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redundant but we'll try to give it some context\h
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want to make it friendly for people who are just\h
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that wow something real is going on about this\h
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that's also who need to know is for so one of the\h
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anniversary of this New York Times article\h
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a two-part discussion uh Ross and and part one is\h
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like prior to that and then talk about some of the\h
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so let me take a a crack at UFO history prior to\h
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not everyone does the thing really broke open\h
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in the summer of 1947. there was a sighting by\h
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got the whole world buzzing uh Roswell happened\h
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in a newspaper and then retracted the day later\h
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where the government was taking UFO's very very\h
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to explain to the novice Roswell was ostensively\h
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Air Force it was ostensibly the crash Believe\h
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course it's something that is adamantly rejected\h
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they've given four completely contradictory\h
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was so you know and we've even done a show on\h
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uh and and you know I I think Roswell was I think\h
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told the truth uh when they when they allowed that\h
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Roswell Daily Record so anyway what what happened\h
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Security establishment kind of intermixed in the\h
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here and frankly going out of their way to make\h
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looked like was really happening and yet nobody\h
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about it they made it seem like the something that\h
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cases going on in the 60s and 70s including some\h
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weapons installations and turned off some missiles\h
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thing that sticks out to me the the thing that\h
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the historical record what we now know courtesy\h
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of a lot of the CIA and defense department files\h
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stigmatizing the subject all through the late\h
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very seriously this is this is a subject that was\h
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in the subject of UFO UF UFOs uaps that they\h
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where in fact as you and I both know even though\h
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public investigation set up in 1952 to properly\h
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United States which uh came about due to certain\h
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allowed it easier for citizens to get at uh old\h
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and released so what we learned thanks to foia\h
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we learned that while the government was saying\h
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people who say well we really don't have any\h
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documents make it very clear that there was lots\h
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me a great photo and then maybe I'll come around\h
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have great photos sitting on our computers that\h
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the great photos are the have essentially\h
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collect them because they had military interior\h
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from history to sort of the world of 2017 what\h
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um these things that people have been talking\h
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not a national security threat in 2017 uh that\h
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that there was a national security aspect to it\h
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of that and in fact the New York Times article\h
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Nimitz if we're doing a timeline from the end of\h
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the general uh and people from Lockheed Martin\h
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a life form was discovered that a general\h
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and it's funny I hack on about these uh leaked\h
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criticizes for going just on people who make\h
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out and say they're part of secret space programs\h
and stuff like that and you and I don't give that\h\h

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any currency what we try and look for is sourced\h
material and this is sourced material this is a\h\h

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leaked series of emails between Tom Delong who for\h
some incredible reason was having extraordinary\h\h

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conversations around about 2015 2016 with a group\h
of people from the Pentagon in the intelligence\h\h

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Community who were willing to discuss with him\h
the potential for disclosure of things relating to\h\h

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uaps UFOs and they told him there were recovered\h
craft and there was a recovered life form and for\h\h

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the life of me that to me is one of the stepping\h
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the New York Times the fact that we now know\h
all of this was going on but as we were just\h\h

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being discussed we were talking about the Tic Tac\h
incident which is the videos that were released\h\h

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that at the time that the New York Times Did its\h
Story the ttsa organization began the progressive\h\h

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release of three videos the Tic Tac the go fast\h
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was the 2004 tick Tech incident involving the USS\h
Nimitz battle carrier battle group just off the\h\h

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um Baja California Mexico Coast about a hundred\h
and something miles out to sea and basically\h\h

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they saw crazy things on their spy one Aegis\h
radar system objects doing things that are\h\h

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still to this day technically Impossible on known\h
human technology and despite what the debunkers\h\h

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say everybody leaps at the videos and does these\h
exhaustive analysis of these videos and basically\h\h

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says the gimbal wasn't rotating the Tic Tac wasn't\h
really going very fast the simple fact is they're\h\h

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ignoring all the data and what they wrestle with\h
what what was fantastic about the New York Times\h\h

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stories that were progressively released from 2017\h
is that they pulled together the data you had a\h\h

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data stream you had the the reference from people\h
who'd worked the radar systems on board the USS\h\h

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Princeton who said that these objects one in\h
particular was seen to descend from eighty\h\h

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thousand feet or twenty thousand feet to the\h
ocean surface in 0.78 of a second and there's a\h\h

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study that's done by our friends at the scientific\h
Coalition for the study of UAP that says that on\h\h

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that estimate given by the radar operators the\h
objects were moving at least tens of thousands\h\h

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of miles an hour possibly a hundred and five\h
thousand miles an hour an acceleration force of 12\h\h

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000 G forces and if it really was going from\h
a stationary position at above 80 000 feet to\h\h

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essentially out of sight within a second as as I\h
think the Tic Tac was seen at twenty five thousand\h\h

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feet and then it zoomed off at a peak velocity\h
they've estimated that that velocity was 453

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000 kilometers an hour it's 281 miles an hour\h
281 000 miles an hour Ross I I of course am an\h\h

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American who don't understand kilometers but\h
even an American knows that's pretty damn fast\h\h

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now that's fast enough in all cases folks to\h
if Ross and I had been inside that Tic Tac we\h\h

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would have been splattered all over the inside\h
of it um so yeah that's fast I I think that\h\h

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I think we've lost sight of the fact I really\h
think we've lost sight of the fact that those\h\h

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Revelations to this day despite the noble\h
efforts of Mick West and Meadowbank and all of\h\h

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the debunkers and Skeptics I still haven't in My\h
Views satisfactorily resolved the fact that there\h\h

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is a data stream that comes from that incident and\h
all of the other incidents where Witnesses who are\h\h

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technical experts are saying they saw things\h
that are known human technology are impossible\h\h

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craft intelligently controlled doing impossible\h
things right so so let me try to put in context\h\h

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the history to the the the sort of the fifth\h
anniversary thing uh back in 1947 after those\h\h

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events there was a general Nathan Twining who was\h
asked to look into this and he wrote a report a\h\h

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memo that went up the chain of command and it was\h
not shared with the public in the 40s or 50s but\h\h

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Twining said in his memo uh the the phenomenon\h
is not is something real and is not Visionary or\h\h

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fictitious so we just plain out said it's real now\h
we didn't learn about that until it was released\h\h

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I think it was foia but it might have been\h
another way it came out but that memo came out\h\h

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decades later all right and so the government was\h
perfectly happy to be getting reports through the\h\h

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chain of command in the Pentagon but they weren't\h
sharing it with anybody what what happened that\h\h

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is so different the reason that that December 17th\h
is that dividing line is in those years since the\h\h

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government itself well let me just back up when\h
we investigate a Project Blue Book from 1952 to\h\h

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1969 that was the Air Force investigation and\h
their their basic premise was okay okay folks\h\h

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we'll look into this even though don't worry about\h
it it's not a national security issue and we don't\h\h

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even know if they're real even though they did\h
know they were real okay what's happened in that\h\h

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dividing line is now that July or June 25th 19\h
2021 report that came out just last year basically\h\h

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came out and said this is real same thing that\h
Twining said back in 47 75 years earlier so they\h\h

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were admitting finally that it's real and that\h
these things are in many cases got to be physical\h\h

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that they're intelligently controlled and they\h
don't think we make them or that China or Russia\h\h

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makes them and they're not drones all right so we\h
have made massive progress in that we're at least\h\h

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admitting uh what the reality of the situation\h
is now I happen to believe that anyone who has\h\h

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studied this for 75 years like the U.S government\h
and our military with the billions and trillions\h\h

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of dollars they've had across the board given\h
that this was real they've spent quite a large\h\h

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amount of money and time investigating they just\h
haven't shared their work with us but that seems\h\h

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to be the motivating factor for why Congress is\h
upset and passing legislation these days to get\h\h

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to the answers because I believe it seems like\h
concert Congress has said we're not happy that\h\h

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we have not been constitutionally briefed on a\h
matter of this uh magnitude and so now they're\h\h

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demanding it to me that is if I had to say what\h
is the change that makes the most uh difference\h\h

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that's it that now we're saying they're real out\h
loud and the argument isn't about reality it's\h\h

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about trying to Define what it is and I think\h
that's a big change there are so many moments\h\h

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that I think Mark the progress of Admissions\h
and Stepping Stones uh both before and since\h\h

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that epocal 2017 New York Times story I think one\h
for me was the series of intelligence officials\h\h

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government officials who made and I think these\h
have kind of been overlooked quite extraordinary\h\h

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comments James Clapper the former dni Defense\h
Director of National Intelligence um I think it's\h\h

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really important he said that whenever we witness\h
such phenomena that it's recorded and documented\h\h

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could there be life out there sure um I don't know\h
why we haven't been more transparent about it in\h\h

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the past former Director of National Intelligence\h
John Ratcliffe there are a lot more sightings than\h\h

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have been made public we're talking about objects\h
that frankly engage in actions that are different\h\h

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difficult to explain movements that are hard to\h
replicate that we don't have the technology for\h\h

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traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier\h
without a sonic boom sometimes we wonder whether\h\h

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our adversaries have technologies that are\h
a little bit further down the road than we\h\h

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realized it's not just a pilot or just a satellite\h
or some intelligence collection we have multiple\h\h

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sensors that are picking up these things and\h
then one of my personal favorites which I noticed\h\h

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just recently people are trying to play Down the\h
current director of National Intelligence for the\h\h

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United States the intelligence tsar of the United\h
States Avril Haynes the main issues she says that\h\h

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Congress and others have been concerned about is\h
safety of flight concerns and counterintelligence\h\h

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issues always there's the question of is there\h
something else that we simply do not understand\h\h

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which might come extra terrestrially yeah\h
now I noticed recently the debunkers have\h\h

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basically tried to say oh she was just talking\h
about stuff from outer space not necessarily\h\h

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aliens we're not talking about aliens but she's\h
suggesting the Director of National Intelligence\h\h

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for the United States is overtly suggesting it\h
might be extraterrestrial and just to round up\h\h

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my friend because you quoted from a beautiful\h
quote from 1947 my quote from that era that I\h\h

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love he's one of my heroes the first director\h
of the CIA Roscoe hillenkotter Admiral Roscoe\h\h

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hillenkotta Roscoe said way back then he said it\h
is time for the truth to be brought out behind\h\h

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the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are\h
soberly concerned about UFOs but through official\h\h

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secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to\h
believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense\h\h

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and that was 70 years ago 70 years ago he said\h
that and they've all been saying the same thing\h\h

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these people it's time we knew what they knew just\h
I believe Helen Carter said that in 1960 after he\h\h

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left office and was working with nycap so I don't\h
know what my math is but it might be right yeah\h\h

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um yeah you're right you know because we sort\h
of promised we were going to go down memory\h\h

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lane on this uh on what has happened in the last\h
five years I thought also because I'm looking at\h\h

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the time and I know we're long and we've got to\h
start thinking about wrapping up so why don't we\h\h

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each take a crack at just some of our Memory Lane\h
moments of the last five years I will put 1947 in\h\h

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the 50s and 60s aside um I'll go first with just\h
some of the thoughts from from those years the\h\h

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to the Stars Academy big deal Tom Delong turned\h
out to be not just a crazy rock star the report\h\h

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of June 25th 2021 called the preliminary\h
report on unidentified aerial phenomena big\h\h

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deal a congressional hearing on May 17 2022 this\h
year uh where of course it wasn't the greatest\h\h

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Congressional hearing but it was the first in\h
some 50 years the fact that we're supposed to\h\h

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get another one coming up and they're supposed to\h
be delivering a report to US every year on October\h\h

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31st here's some other just moments that happened\h
uh in those five years 60 Minutes broke its own\h\h

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self-imposed embargo on covering the UFO story and\h
did a major story on UAP where Elizondo and melon\h\h

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and others were interviewed Harry Reid after the\h
article came out and was more outspoken than ever\h\h

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before but in addition to a Senator Harry Reid\h
talking about that he gave way to other Senators\h\h

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like Jola Brandon and Rubio who have talked\h
about it and even Romney who is very specific\h\h

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we've heard from a pilot uh David fraver Alex\h
Dietrich um and and many others uh an incredible\h\h

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film came out the phenomenon by James Fox which\h
I recommend for anyone who wants to tell their\h\h

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friends just watch this give it two hours and then\h
we'll talk um all the people that you talked about\h\h

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Ross uh that that have spoken who are uh in the\h
Intel Community a personal uh one for me is I'm\h\h

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so glad to see that NASA NASA has actually said\h
they're going to look into this and they're going\h\h

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to get back to us in nine months now I don't know\h
whether they're going to write the most revealing\h\h

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report ever written or not but for years and years\h
NASA has said we don't do UFOs we don't do that we\h\h

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don't talk about that and now of course they've\h
got a leader who is saying that we do talk about\h\h

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it so these things are happening there's there's\h
meetings all over the world going on they just had\h\h

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a meeting in France uh they they've had a big one\h
in in Italy recently I mean let's face it um this\h\h

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is not a a slow-moving train anymore it's a faster\h
moving train and I know some people are frustrated\h\h

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like myself that it hasn't got to its destination\h
yet but there's no question to me that that train\h\h

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is moving and it seems to be moving in the right\h
direction the fact that they're going to throw a\h\h

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few things on the tracks to stop it or slow it\h
down well I expect that but I I think the train\h\h

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will still make it to the state there you go Bryce\h
you're like my therapist you've cheered me up\h\h

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there I was getting all despondent about whether\h
or not we're actually going to see anything from\h\h

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the Congress and you've you've made me optimistic\h
again now there's a few I agreed I agreed with\h\h

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your summary there of the key moments there's\h
a few more I'd like to add because they're just\h\h

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fun my favorite that I think we're going to see a\h
lot more of is slide nine this is the slide that\h\h

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a lot of people have overlooked but I I think it's\h
incredibly important which was obtained from Chris\h\h

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melon's website it was essentially a document that\h
I suspect he'd put on his website for somebody to\h\h

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download and he'd forgotten to take it down and\h
it basically says the science exists for an enemy\h\h

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of the United States to manipulate both physical\h
and cognitive environments in order to penetrate\h\h

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U.S facilities influence decision makers and\h
compromise National Security it talked about\h\h

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psychotronic Weaponry penetration of Solid\h
Surfaces instantaneous sensor disassembly\h\h

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alteration and manipulation of biological\h
organisms anomalies in the space-time construct\h\h

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whatever it is slide 9 is referring to something\h
that the defense department of the United States\h\h

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is taking extremely seriously indeed and the\h
government's Silence about the implications\h\h

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of this document is deafening the other\h
thing that I wanted to point to my friend is\h\h

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one of my favorite quotes from one of your former\h
presidents Barrack Obama and Barack Obama actually\h\h

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admitted on television what is true and I'm\h
actually being serious here is that there are\h\h

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there's footage and records of objects in the\h
skies that we don't know exactly what they are\h\h

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we can't explain how they moved their trajectory\h
they did not have an easily explainable pattern\h\h

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and so you know I think that people still\h
take seriously trying to investigate what\h\h

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that is it's very very important concession from\h
a former president who as you know gets briefed\h\h

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private briefings he's entitled to be given the\h
very very secret top secret SCI briefings that\h\h

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a president gets and he's getting them and so\h
is Bill Clinton and as Bill Clinton said if we\h\h

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were visited one day I wouldn't be surprised\h
I just hope it's not like Independence Day

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well as I think we can all uh agree with the\h
Clinton I mean a lot there are half the people in\h\h

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the country that don't like Bill Clinton but you\h
got to agree he's right we all hope at a hundred\h\h

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percent that it's not like Independence Day uh\h
yeah but the Barack Obama thing is fascinating\h\h

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because you know in every other instance he'd ever\h
been asked about it he seemed to make light of it\h\h

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he he was dismissed particularly when he was in\h
office but even after he got out of office and\h\h

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something changed this year this year is when\h
Barack Obama said I'm going to start talking\h\h

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about the real thing um I got something I just\h
want to float here it's so out of left field\h\h

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are we sort of done with our summation can I throw\h
something out yeah yeah okay I reckon we've given\h\h

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ourselves enough room for optimism my friend I\h
think so um and by the way I just want to point\h\h

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one other thing out I was reading some of the\h
comments on some of our past shows and because\h\h

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our last one was like two and a half weeks ago\h
some people were saying uh you know where are\h\h

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these guys did somebody shut them down and a\h
couple of people were saying you know uh we've\h\h

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been silenced because we were speaking too openly\h
no we're we haven't been silenced we're just busy\h\h

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and and we we you know we we're we're committed\h
to every two weeks kind of podcast occasionally\h\h

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it slips a few days but we have not I've not\h
been silenced have you been silenced no sir I'm\h\h

491
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,200
still waiting for those Men In Black to come in\h
and tell me not to do it but uh no look frankly\h\h

492
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,780
both you and I to be honest we were waiting for\h
the 31st of October report and the report that\h\h

493
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:57,600
never came that I suspect may never come oh it's\h
got it correctly it's gonna come it's gonna come\h\h

494
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:04,980
and I I absolutely think it's coming and I also\h
um I have the October 31st report is what leads\h\h

495
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:10,200
me to my crazy idea I'm just going to float it\h
out there and see if anybody uh can respond to it\h\h

496
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,500
um what I thought was going to happen is that they\h
were going to deliver the October 31st report on\h\h

497
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:21,300
the day that they said they would and and that\h
that was eight days before the election and I\h\h

498
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:25,680
thought if you put out a report about National\h
Security that says there are the things flying\h\h

499
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,480
around and put a little more meat on the bones\h
than the previous report that might actually get\h\h

500
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,160
into the election uh because let's face it the\h
one thing that hasn't really happened is UFOs\h\h

501
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:42,840
don't get talked about in a political sense so\h
here's my idea somebody should in the next year\h\h

502
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:49,500
decide they're going to run for president and they\h
it'd be great if gillibrand or Rubio did on this\h\h

503
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:56,340
topic but they probably won't but somebody should\h
go to New Hampshire and Iowa when these are going\h\h

504
00:52:56,340 --> 00:53:03,360
to be the states that are the first voting States\h
and all you have to do if I'm not mistaken in New\h\h

505
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:09,300
Hampshire is get five percent in the polls uh\h
in order to be included in the debates I think\h\h

506
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:14,280
someone of some credibility they don't have to\h
be you know they're not going to get elected\h\h

507
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,740
president but they could get five percent in the\h
polls in New Hampshire and they could get included\h\h

508
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:26,520
in those presidential debates and they could\h
talk about this topic with other candidates and\h\h

509
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,880
forced the election to start talking about this so\h
that's my idea whoever's out there listening to us\h\h

510
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,160
who's got the wherewithal to run for president\h
moved to New Hampshire in the next six months\h\h

511
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,080
and start campaigning and then we'll get this\h
into debates and we'll move this topic ahead\h\h

512
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:50,880
oh my God I I want to conclude my\h
friend with what I am hearing which is\h\h

513
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,300
there are hearings already happening on the\h
hill there are congressional briefings that\h\h

514
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:01,200
are happening that have been happening for\h
some of these very sensitive committees in\h\h

515
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,840
Skiffs uh you know secure compartmentalized\h
information facilities where people can give\h\h

516
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:12,780
evidence knowing that they're not being bugged\h
monitored and also I think we need to acknowledge\h\h

517
00:54:12,780 --> 00:54:18,540
that there is momentous legislation coming\h
in both the National Defense authorization\h\h

518
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:24,360
act bill that's before the Congress and also\h
the intelligence authorization act and it put\h\h

519
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,920
together if these two pieces of legislation\h
go through the house as does appear likely\h\h

520
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:37,260
I think the revelations about uaps are almost\h
inevitable my one concern about the legislation\h\h

521
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:43,380
is it's very focused on briefing Congress quite\h
properly it's very focused on making sure that\h\h

522
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:49,980
the proper form the proper transparency has been\h
shown to those congressional oversight committees\h\h

523
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:55,800
like the house intelligence committee or the\h
in the armed services committee but it's not\h\h

524
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:03,540
stipulating categorically that the public will be\h
informed now that's one of the reasons why we call\h\h

525
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:10,020
this show need to know because the public needs\h
to know and I hope Congress doesn't forget that\h\h

526
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:18,600
I listen here's the thing Congress um I have I\h
don't begrudge Congress having secret meetings\h\h

527
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:25,380
to talk about National Security issues right um\h
I think that what the body politic would like to\h\h

528
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:32,400
see happen though is an acknowledgment that they\h
are doing that and and for us to at least be told\h\h

529
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:39,480
imagine this disclosure as I've often said is not\h
like we're going to give a gigabyte Drive full\h\h

530
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:45,660
of photos and videos to every reporter that's not\h
going to happen that disclosure but I don't think\h\h

531
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:51,480
it's wrong to on an issue of this magnitude that\h
needs to come out because it's been buried for so\h\h

532
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,640
long to Simply acknowledge the reality of it\h
and say they're not ours and uh it's another\h\h

533
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:02,880
intelligence that's that we're not 100 sure\h
where it's from and we're looking into it that's\h\h

534
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,220
what I expect my government to do I expect your\h
government to do the same thing I expect World\h\h

535
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:15,900
governments if we are being visited or there is\h
a non-human intelligence that's operating in our\h\h

536
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:22,980
skies and seas I expect the governments of the\h
world to look into it to do prudent things and I\h\h

537
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:28,800
don't necessarily expect to be briefed on every\h
single aspect of what planes are seeing what at\h\h

538
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:35,880
what time but I'd like a couple of things I would\h
like you to admit that that this is real and you\h\h

539
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:42,720
are looking into it and I would like a couple\h
of good photos and a video that would make me\h\h

540
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,820
happy I would call that the Christmas present of\h
all time and I would have a wonderful holiday I\h\h

541
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:55,080
don't think it's going to happen but it ought to\h
happen oh look I've got faith in the capacity of\h\h

542
00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:01,500
Congress to leak I mean even the incredible Church\h
committee hearings that took place a lot of them\h\h

543
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:08,460
in secret in the 1970s investigating the alleged\h
Crimes of the CIA after Watergate a lot of that\h\h

544
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:12,960
information eventually leaked even though it was\h
disclosed in confidence in some of the Committees\h\h

545
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,800
a lot of it was done in public but there were\h
some really embarrassing stuff that finally made\h\h

546
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:26,100
it out into the public Arena what I understand is\h
happening is if there is recovered technology if\h\h

547
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:31,200
it really is the case that the United States as\h
we've been led to believe is sitting on recovered\h\h

548
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:37,200
technology as by the way the New York Times\h
reported in 2020 the world's you know the the\h\h

549
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:43,800
nation's most illustrious newspaper has put it on\h
record that there are people saying that the U.S\h\h

550
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:49,860
has recovered alien craft which was another big\h
event in the in the history that we overlooked\h\h

551
00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:55,980
if that's the case I can understand why there's\h
a willingness to suppress that knowledge because\h\h

552
00:57:55,980 --> 00:58:03,360
frankly if you can Master the technology behind\h
those craft if you can if you can find out how to\h\h

553
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:09,960
derive awesome energy if you can find out how to\h
develop extraordinary propulsion systems weapons\h\h

554
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,740
you would want to keep that secret but I don't\h
think that the American government is being honest\h\h

555
00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:24,960
with the people if it continues to try to suppress\h
its knowledge of what it does know about the UAP\h\h

556
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:30,840
mystery so let's wrap up with it one thought you\h
brought it up just now crash wreckage when I was\h\h

557
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:38,880
a kid I I read stories about crashed saucers and I\h
remember uh thinking well that's insane but that's\h\h

558
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,700
sure fun to read about but it couldn't possibly\h
be happening right uh now we're hearing from very\h\h

559
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:50,400
credible people uh both you and I and many other\h
people have heard it that crash and luellizondo\h\h

560
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,860
has said it that crash wreckage is definitely on\h
the table so probably in the next year or two or\h\h

561
00:58:55,860 --> 00:59:02,460
three uh crash wreckages out there we're going to\h
be looking into it and uh let's face it that's not\h\h

562
00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:08,460
a Smoking Gun that's a smoking Howitzer and uh\h
it'll be fascinating when that happens but like\h\h

563
00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:13,140
I said hasn't happened yet it's going to happen in\h
the future which is why Ross you and I are going\h\h

564
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:19,320
to have to keep doing the show absolutely well I\h
don't want to stop it's fun I mean the thing that\h\h

565
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,780
really astonishes me about this is here I am I'm a\h
mainstream news reporter television public affairs\h\h

566
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:29,400
reporter and it just amazes me because I've been\h
given the privilege by the network I do work for\h\h

567
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,380
in Australia to be able to do some digging into\h
the UAP issue and I just look over my shoulder\h\h

568
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:39,000
all the time and go where's the rest of the media\h
why aren't they chasing the story it's the biggest\h\h

569
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:45,600
story ever as I said at the head of the program\h
and we are looking at momentous legislation coming\h\h

570
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:52,080
down the track with the defense authorization act\h
I mean we are we are seeing an accounting of all\h\h

571
00:59:52,080 --> 01:00:01,740
UAP activity the legislation wants information on\h
all UAP logged outside the last year as well they\h\h

572
01:00:01,740 --> 01:00:07,560
want a full accounting to the Congress formal\h
analyzes of those account of those encounters\h\h

573
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:14,160
signals intelligence geospatial intelligence\h
human intelligence signals intelligence it's\h\h

574
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:20,760
actually quite quite amazing as Billy Cox wrote\h
in a brilliant column recently you know The\h\h

575
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,980
Gatekeepers might start vomiting in their Skiffs\h
over the next provision which is that Congress\h\h

576
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:34,440
is demanding an enumeration of any instances in\h
which data relating to UFOs was not provided to\h\h

577
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:42,480
the odni because of classification restrictions\h
on that data this is on the record if it goes\h\h

578
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,900
through this legislation is momentous and there\h
are grounds for optimism and full credit frankly\h\h

579
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:54,720
to the people who've pushed for this legislation\h
to come through like Louis zondo Chris Mellon no\h\h

580
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,520
matter what people choose to say about them and\h
disparage them online they're following through\h\h

581
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,320
with what they pledged they were going to do\h
you know Ross I think a good place to leave this\h\h

582
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,540
is with the Moment of Zen that you have just\h
laid out for us so folks if you're listening\h\h

583
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:14,340
Ross just said it here's your Moment of Zen\h
I want you to think about this for a moment\h\h

584
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:24,600
Gatekeepers vomiting in their Skiffs I mean\h
wow Gatekeepers vomit that's the title of my\h\h

585
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,800
next screenplay by the way Ross it's going to\h
be called Gatekeepers vomiting in their skips\h\h

586
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:35,940
I think it'll be a big hit uh listen folks uh if\h
it's been always fun to do this Ross uh you're my\h\h

587
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:42,000
you're my uh furthest away best friend I really\h
love doing this and for you folks at home I I\h\h